. Every Sunday CUIP's president Jacqueline Salit and strategist and philosopher Fred Newman watch the political talk shows and discuss them. Here are excerpts from their dialogue on Sunday, December 21, 2008 after watching "The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer", several Charlie Rose Interviews" and "The Chris Matthews Show".
Newman: I'm the world's most outspoken advocate for that position. That's been true for nearly the entirety of my life. But it doesn't follow that opportunity will win out. You have to appreciate that chaos might win in different cases.
Salit: That chaos might win out over the creation of a new system which is stable and progressive?
Newman: Yes. It might prove that no such system is creatable. History might tell us that.
Salit: But, we don't know.
Newman: Right. Is this a situation that is ultimately unmanageable or is it one of those manageable dialectical situations Kissinger is so fond of? I don't know. I don't think he knows. I don't think anybody knows.
Salit: So, progress and development can emerge out of chaos but are not a necessary outcome of chaos.
Newman: Yes. But, I would go so far as to say that it's only possible out of chaos.