New York Independents with Integrity

This just in for independent voters!

JACKIE SALIT on C-SPAN Saturday morning, June 23rd
Watch Jackie Salit, CUIP’s president and editor of The Neo-Independent
Topic: Bloomberg Goes Independent and the 2008 Presidential Elections
WASHINGTON JOURNAL
Saturday, June 23rd
9:30 to 10:00 am
The show is live and takes calls

TODAY'S NEWS HEADLINES for INDEPENDENT VOTERS

• Ralph Nader thinks Bloomberg has a shot (MSNBC)
• Bloomberg cuts party ties; would voters do the same? (EDITORIAL Austin American Statesman)
• If Unity'08 Builds It, Will Bloomberg Come? (Hotline)
• MD court explains disparity for independent candidates (Daily Times )

TODAY'S NEWS HEADLINES for INDEPENDENT VOTERS

• Independent political consultant Jackie Salit says Bloomberg "would need to prove a genuine commitment to nonpartisanship" to get support from indies (Boston Globe)
• "This election will be determined by independent voters who want change, not business as usual." (LETTER: Francis Warman, Hopkinton, Concord Monitor)
• Others have tried Leaving the Two-Party Bind that ties (The Atlantic)
• What did Bloomberg and former Democratic senator David Boren of Oklahoma talk about this week?? (Concord Monitor)
• Is Kevin Sheekey the Wizard?(Newsday Spin Cycle)
• HIZZONER IN COY STORY (NY Post)

Bloomberg, Obama: Don't take independent voters for granted

Don't take independent voters for granted by Betty Ward, Concord New Hampshire Monitor

Michael Bloomberg's Independence

"I have filed papers with the New York City Board of Elections to change my status as a voter and register as unaffiliated with any political party. Although my plans for the future haven't changed, I believe this brings my affiliation into alignment with how I have led and will continue to lead our City," -- Michael Bloomberg said yesterday...

Don't miss the back story on Bloomberg's independence in Jackie Salit's The Bloomberg Story. Salit ran the Mayor's Independence Party campaign in 2001 and 2005. She says:

The media assumes that if Mike decides to seek the presidency that he will automatically have the support of independents. My view is that nothing is automatic. Even a billionaire has to prove himself to independents. [AND WE MIGHT ADD, EVEN AN INDEPENDENT HAS TO PROVE HIMSELF TO INDEPENDENTS!]
I helped Mike do this in New York City twice, as I ran both of his mayoral campaigns on the Independence Party line. He ran twice as a fusion candidate—on the Republican and Independence Party tickets. In his first run in 2001 independent voters provided his margin of victory—the 59,000 votes on the Independence Party line put him over the top. In his second run, in 2005, he polled 59% of the total vote. Independents and black voters (an astonishing 47% of African American voters broke with the Democratic Party) were key to that landslide.

The Bloomberg Story

Here's a little something substantive to chew on as the MSM are eating The Bloomberg Story...

Talk/Talk: What's Plan B?

What's Plan B ? Washington is starting to prepare for the return from Iraq of General Petraeus and U.S. Ambassador Ryan Crocker (who was on “Meet the Press”) in September. They will present to the Congress on the progress being made in the war and on the “metrics” of how the situation is, or isn’t improving...

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Registered Independent

"Being an Independent is about thinking for yourself." Read Registered Independent, now on the Hankster sidebar. In the R's just below Redding News Review. It's worth the trip. The Hankster recommends Registered Independent.

PS - Does Mayor Bloomberg know what it really means to be "registered independent"? We'll find out!

Conversations on Independence

Ok, here's what I think is interesting about the attempt by the Dems to co-opt the independent movement: they don't know what they're talking about--concretely. Basically the Dems have no positive relationship to the "Swing and Sway" motion of independents. And they really don't care about issues -- only votes. Which brings into question whether they have the talent and the wherewithall to do it. Case in point:


...The other group that has come to make up the Democratic majority is political independents. These voters, who identify themselves to pollsters and public opinion surveys as "independents," represent an ideology rather than a social group, but they overlap with some Democratic constituencies and also set limits on the politics of a Democratic majority. According to the American National Election Studies, they make up about 38 percent of the potential electorate and 33 percent of actual voters. States with the highest proportions of independents are concentrated in the Northeast, upper Midwest, and far West (including Alaska and Hawaii), plus several mountain states (Colorado, Idaho, Montana) and North Dakota. Interestingly, there is considerable overlap between these states and states where Ross Perot polled more than 20 percent in 1992.... (American Prospect, "Back to the Future: The re-emergence of the emerging Democratic majority", by John B. Judis and Ruy Teixeira, June 18, 2007)





And from Time Magazine's latest "Bloomberg and Schwarzenegger: The New Action Heroes" They're also doing big things. Specifically, they're doing big things that Washington has failed to do."

TODAY'S NEWS HEADLINES for INDEPENDENT VOTERS

EAST COAST:

• New Hampshire: Whither the undeclared voter? Campaigns sizing up independents' role (Concord Monitor)


• New Hampshire: Dem staffers double population of state--it's like Christmas in July... (Concord Monitor)

WEST COAST:

• Washington State: Independent voters feel a bit nervous: Will moving the primaries move independent voters??? Why partisan showdowns don't impress non-partisans... (Columbian)


• Is The West turning lib? Are libertarians leaning Dem? What's a serious "independent streak"... West is Best for '08 Strategizing (Fox News)

TODAY'S NEWS HEADLINES for INDEPENDENT VOTERS

• The wrong game plan, Giuliani's terror strategy ignores the fact that offensive tactic failing-critical independent voters are against the war (Newsday)
• Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and the Black Vote (ABC News)
• Obama keys on family, middle class-"conservative message would appeal to independents"-WRONG ANALYSIS OF INDEPENDENT VOTERS? (Spartenburg Herald Journal's GoUpstate-South Carolina)
• Innocent visit-Michael Bloomberg came close to taking himself out of consideration for a 2008 run as an independent candidate on Friday (Nashua Telegraph)
• Mapping the Causes of Corruption (New York Times)
• California: Redistricting within reach (Sac Bee)
• Michigan lawmakers propose new way for drawing district lines (South Bend Tribune)
• Virginia: Sometimes, a free pass at the polls is good-Locally, two long-serving independent delegates face opposition, all other party delegates running unopposed (Lynchburg News & Advance)
• Florida local political parties cater to surfers, poor people and even some new Whigs (NW Florida Daily News) Okaloosa independent voters by party and race

Attention Arizona independent voters:

Independent voters were established in the United States by the writing of the Constitution.

Political parties are self-created societies which exist for the purpose of securing special rights and privileges in government to their members. There were no organized political parties in the United States government until the election of 1800 when a political party took over the government. They wasted no time in passing laws at state level to exclude and limit participation of independent voters. Independent voters exist in the government today not because political parties allow them to exist, but because political parties have been unable to eradicate them in spite of their best efforts.

In 1988 the Arizona legislature passed a law requiring that deputy registrars in Arizona be recommended by the chairman of a political party. Accordingly, on December 31, 1988, all independent voters who were serving as deputy registrars were sent a letter informing them that they could no longer serve in that position. An independent voter filed a lawsuit seeking re-instatement of independent deputy registrars. To nullify that lawsuit, the legislature met and passed a bill doing away with the position of deputy registrar, allowing any person to go to their County Recorder, obtain voter registration forms, and register voters.

In 2004, leaders of the Republican Party in Arizona circulated an initiative called Proposition 200 because, they said, illegal aliens and convicted felons could register voters. When Proposition 200 was passed by the voters it required the state to make a new voter registration form. There was only one real change in the new voter registration form other than instructions requiring identification to be shown at the polls, etc. The box marked No Party Preference was taken off from the form, leaving only a space marked Specify Party Preference. A Party spokesman now in the state committe of his party has boasted in a newspaper interview that the purpose of this change was to stop a rapid increase in the number of independent voters in Arizona which took place between 2000 and 2004. Now, he said, people were registering as Democrats and Republicans.

A group of independent voters brought this violation of the Voting Rights Act of 1965 to the attention of the state Attorney General. His response was, "Discuss it with your state legislator."We are therefore going to register a petition with the Secretary of State on July 5th to recall the Attorney General. The state of Arizona requires a period of six months in office before a state official becomes eligible for recall. His present term of office began on January 5, 2007.

We are going to register voters, including those who support the Attorney General, in our petition drive. The percentage of registered voters in the state is somewhere around 50% of those eliglble to vote.

Anyone who wants more information about this recall petition drive please contact:
Independent Voters
P. O. Box 1445
Maricopa, Arizona 85239
e-mail: rbwinn3@juno.com
Robert B. Winn

Conversations on Independence

"The polarization and poisonous atmosphere that have infected the House of Representatives for the past two decades or more can be traced -- in large part -- to the manner in which district lines are drawn in most states."
- Les Francis, former Exec Director of the Democratic National Committee

--From The ReDistricting Game -- Yes, it's really a game. And it's free - The Redistricting Game was created at the USC Game Innovation Lab - part of the USC School of Cinematic Arts', Interactive Media Division.

Mission 1: Fundamentals--Learn the basics of redistricting in the State of Jefferson.
Mission 2: Partisan Gerrymander--Gerrymander the State of Hamilton in your party's favor.
Mission 3: Bipartisan Gerrymander--Create a bipartisan gerrymander in the State of Madison.
Mission 4: Voting Rights Act--Ensure minority representation in the State of Hamilton.

TODAY'S NEWS HEADLINES for INDEPENDENT VOTERS

• Dumb People Choose Presidents (Charlotte Conservative)
• Presidential Politics (TPMCafe - Reed Hundt - argument for third party run in 2008)
• Woodruff: Young people are plugged into politics (Fosters online)
• Robert D. Novak: Pelosi in hot water with the left - more on a possible Bloomberg run (Union Leader)
• LA Times Question: What is more important to you in choosing a candidate for president: a candidate who bridges partisan divides, or a candidate with long experience in government and policymaking? (LA Times)
• The Harris Poll: In Race for Democratic Nomination, Obama Closes Gap with Clinton (Wall Street Journal Online)
• Our View — America flounders on big issues--Partisanship, cynicism, failure to lead — is this why so many Americans are pessimistic about the future? Is this why so many voters say the country is on the wrong track? (The Free Press-Mankato MN)

Conversations on Independents

I've been talking with independent voters for a long time now. What is an independent?


Independent (voter) from Wikipedia, is one of the best definitions of an undefinable uncatorgorizable category that I've seen.

Wikipedia says that 27 states allow independents to vote in primaries. Email The Hankster with a source that confirms this number (or gives a different number) and you'll receive a free copy of The Neo-Independent magazine...

TODAY'S NEWS HEADLINES for INDEPENDENT VOTERS

• IDAHO: Ring worries about GOP split-closed Repub primary will alienate independents (Idaho Press)
• It ain't Hillary-Chris Matthews cites only 25% indies are for her (Townhall)
• Status of Pending Lawsuits Filed by Minor Parties, Independents (Ballot Access News)
• Upper-income black donors back Obama over Clinton (USA Today)
• Black community leader backs Clinton in Florida (Chicago Tribune)
• OHIO: Judge's race field might shrink-if officials declare that Parker or other independent candidates aren’t truly “independent.” (Cincinnati Enquirer)
• NEW JERSEY: Coffey heats up Township Committee race in U.F., Planning Board member files to run as independent (Freehold Examiner)

Talk/Talk: Was He Used?

Every Sunday CUIP’s political director Jacqueline Salit and strategist and philosopher Fred Newman watch the political talk shows and discuss them. Here are excerpts from their dialogue on Sunday, June 10, 2007 after watching "The Chris Matthews Show”, "Meet the Press” and "The McLaughlin Group.” Below is an excerpt from Talk Talk. To read it in its entirety, go to: www.independentvoting.org, or click on the link below.

Salit: Colin Powell was a guest on “Meet the Press.” Powell is a very interesting and enigmatic figure in American public life. I was struck by the quote from Powell’s wife, Alma, that Russert presented to Powell from a book written about him. She said, basically, that her husband had been used by the Administration to sell the war to the American people, because he was the person that people would believe. Then Russert asked Powell if he felt he had been used. Powell said no, that he didn’t feel that he was used, that he was part of an administration and part of formulating the policy and that he had expressed his views along the way. When he went before the United Nations, he made the best and most accurate case that he thought could be made for the war. And he said, repeatedly, that he would have preferred not to go to war. Do you think he was “used”?

Newman: No. He was a member of the team. That’s what the team came up with. His wife has a right to her opinion, and I can see, from her point of view, it might look like he was used. But he was a voluntary member of that team. He could have left that team any time he wanted to. But if you’re on the team and you have input, and the team position is what you come up with, then you’re not used, you’re just a part of the team.

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Conversations on Independence

Worth a look:

After the South Carolina debate, Mike Gravel was the 15th most popular search on the Internet. (Stories in America)


Cindy Sheehan does well to recognize that the American two-party system is a sham and a snare (The Seminal)

Here's an interesting take on the recent increase in Obama's poll numbers … which counters mistakes in methodology as an excuse. Hint: Independent voters are the key. From Keith's Blog on Zaadz. Pro-Obama without reserve, but a good round-up.

TODAY'S NEWS HEADLINES for INDEPENDENT VOTERS

• Congress Hits 10-Year Low Popularity Rating but GOP Gets No Boost; Time for a New Party? (Washington Examiner)
• Why Thompson and not the others?-new formula: try to attract just enough support from independents to win (Arkansas News) AND THEY DO MEAN "JUST ENOUGH"...
• Union hosts Lincoln-Hayes Banquet-It was concerns about similar less-delicate issues, like taxes, rather than prominent ones like Republicans' handling of Iraq War, that strongly contributed to Republicans losses in the elections, Portman said. "Voters were disappointed, especially independent voters" (Bolling Green News) REPUB ATTEMPT TO DEFINE 2008 ISSUES--IT'S THE ECONOMY, NOT THE WAR?
• Connecticut for Lieberman Party head lambastes Lieberman on Iran (Connecticut Post) A CASE OF TOO LIEBERMAN, TOO LATE?
• Carefully crafting the Obama 'brand' (Chicago Tribune)

Conversations on Independence

Marc Ambinder "Andy Smith Doesn't Poll New Hampshire Without Independents" has corrected his earlier blog saying that Andy Smith excluded independents from his poll that shows Clinton leading Obama... and Ben Smith "About that UNH Poll" at Politico takes careful note, even posting a pdf press release from the pollster to prove it. Taegan Goddard's Political Wire "Clinton Leaps Ahead in New Hampshire" adds his two cents (only 8% of Dems have made up their minds...).

What's the Big Deal? Plenty! New Hampshire independents comprise 44% of the electorate and they can vote in the primaries. And USA Today polls show Obama does well with independents. Plus, independents on the ground in New Hampshire are becoming well-organized and won't be taken for granted. Betty Ward and Russ Ouellette will testify to that.

TODAY'S NEWS HEADLINES for INDEPENDENT VOTERS

• Why Poll New Hampshire Without Independents????? (Marc Ambinder, The Atlantic)
• Obama, Thompson Gain on Clinton, Giuliani, Poll Shows-Independents voting in the Democratic primary say they favor unity over experience by more than 2-to-1. (Bloomberg News)
• MS: Primary ruling a mixed bag for Dems: Victorious in lawsuit, party sees ID measure they oppose tacked on (Clarion Ledger)
• Mike Bloomberg could buy the White House (Salon)

Conversations on Independence

CROWD: The attempt by a player to match or adopt an opponent's position in a marketplace or to affiliate with a trend, idea, or issue. (Politico's commissioned politics game The Playmaker's Table) ...In case you thought politics was a HUMAN activity......

In the "I coulda told you that for the price of a cheesburger...." category, Rasmussen tells us the results of their newest Poll: "56% Believe Most Congressmen Willing to Sell Their Vote" with 59% of those not affiliated with either major party agreeing. Interestingly, 60% of Repubs agree. Are the Dems (49%) naieve, and do the Repubs just have more experience? Any partisan or non-partisan way you cut it (and let's not forget about the 50% of us who choose not to participate....), most Americans don't think their representatives are representing them. I picked this up from The Drudge Retort.... Thanks, Drudge!

Matt Jerzyk on Rhode Island's Future (of the Providence Phoenix) ran this recap of the Washington Post's Chris Cizzilla's take on The Bloomberg 08 Possibility. Matt thinks the independent mayor of New York could be the first serious independent presidential candidate in a "long, long time".... As an independent and a New Yorker, I thank Matt for drawing attention to the potential independent run for President by Mayor Bloomberg. Little known fact: It was the ground operation of the Independence Party of New York (specifically the NYC faction) and the savy of independent political consultant Jacqueline Salit that got Mike elected in the first place in 2001 (and the added weight of Lenora Fulani's Outsider Coalition that swept 47% of the black vote for his re-election in 2005. BTW - he did NOT run as a Dem... (We have fusion in New York, where candidates are allowed to run on more than one line) If you haven't already, you might want to check out Salit's "Bloomberg Story"... My take: If Bloomberg is willing to work with the "unwashed" at the national level, it would be an interesting campaign... One thing we know for sure is that the American people are expensive!

From the Rothenberg Political Report: "From a purely political point of view, Democrats had their cake and ate it too." I would agree. Ever the more reason for independent voters to speak out on behalf of everyone. Independents broke 2-1 for the Dems and empowered them in Congress and some suggest for the 2008 national election. But, independents are -- independent. Looking for change of direction.

And finally, thanks for his post "Future Strength of Independent Voters Predicted by FDR", and congratulations to my new friend Jack Dunning, (The Dunning Letter) a personal information consumer advocate. Jack is very well the Ralph Nader of the information age! The Dunning Letter is very informative AND political!)

TODAY'S NEWS HEADLINES for INDEPENDENT VOTERS

• Independent voters could sway primary in New Hampshire (Copley News Service)
• COFOE Raises Enough Money for Proposed New North Carolina Lawsuit (Ballot Access News)
• Ethical House wouldn’t have to worry (Opinion-Ft. Wayne Journal Gazette)
• Obama has strong appeal to independents (USA Today)
• NH: Immersed in politics, from city hall up-"To me, both parties are a compromise," Hill said. (Union Leader)
• NC: Group to collect signatures in support of nonpartisan school-board elections (Winston Salem Journal)

Conversations on Independence

Lost in the Wilderness says a lot about what it means to be independent! Daniel Larison on Eunomia has a great idea -- more choices! American Taino warns Democrats they have a lot to prove to Latino voters...

TODAY'S NEWS HEADLINES for INDEPENDENT VOTERS

• Don't take independent voters for granted (Betty Ward, LETTER TO Concord Monitor)
• Debates in June? ...a question about how the Republican party can attract independent voters needed to win was left hanging. (Concord Monitor)
• Silver Lining in GOP's Dark Cloud-While voters will want an un-Bush in 2008, it's by no means clear they'll want a Democrat. (RealClearPolitics)
• State of the Race: The Republican Presidential Candidates-Giuliani's admirable record and his appeal to independent voters—which may prove vital in what may be a close election—may outweigh some of his more questionable traits. (The Stanford Review)
• The latest on Gallup (ScrippsNews)
• CT: Mayoral race gets bizarre with new party (Connecticut Post)
• MT: Recent election signals new day in Ravalli County-Independent Carlotta Grandstaff trounced incumbent Commissioner Howard Lyons (Missoulian)
• OH: Voting in a party primary invalidates independence, according to the Ohio AG. (The Vindicator)
• VA: Sheriff's primary race gets crowded (Potomac News)
• Illinois Legislature Likely to Pass Timid Ballot Access Bill (Ballot Access News)

And if you haven't checked out An Ordinary Person... times 'awastin'!

Thoughts on Independence

I can't help it. Suburban Guerilla is really interesting. And she's from Philly! Double marks. Cudos on an independent view... What do you think?

Conversations on Independence

Steve Soto on The Left Coaster thinks Mitt Romney may be positioning himself as an alternative for independent voters.... Nathan on MySpace thinks a bi-partisan ticket would appeal to independents.... RJ Eskow's piece Play-It-Safe 'Centrists' Are Weakening the Democratic Party is posted at his interesting blog Night Light... and Dick Arney at Time magazine's blog Swampland thinks independents will be voting their pocketbooks in '08.

'Independent' means no party links

I wonder what Ohio Sec of State Jennifer Brunner (Columbus Dispatch) would have to say about Sen. Lieberman's campaign last year? (See The Hankster from May 25 "When partisans run as independents")

Independents Rule New Hampshire

Partyless, Unpredictable Voters Could Sway Primary...Again
This article in ABC News Go, By Rick Klein, June 4, 2007 , is definitely worth a read. With the media blitz about the candidates (and that's ok - it's an American election, and that's what American elections are all about....), it's nice to see a little attention paid to the voters! See what New Hampshire independents Betty Ward and Russ Ouellette had to say....

TODAY'S NEWS HEADLINES for INDEPENDENT VOTERS

• Major parties choking democracy, grass-roots efforts (Des Moines Register Iowa View)
• Opening the Space in American Politics (The Conservative Voice)
• A Failure of Leadership in a Flawed Political Culture (Washington Post)
• Unity Limps On, Recruiting 106 Delegates a Day (Irregular Times)
• Spoilers or swing voters? Independent Texans founder Linda Curtis discusses corridor, politics with area group (Victoria Advocate)
• Idaho GOP’s Move to close primary concerns some (KTVB)
• Don't take independent voters for granted (Letter from Betty Ward to Concord Monitor)

Conversations on Independence

So, how are independent voters doing? MRF Buckley at NewsPopping: Internet Journalism Blog had this astute analysis of the debates and the candidates. LiberalArtsGuy at An Ordinary Person and Politics in America has developed a very interesting schmooze strategy for meeting other independents, and while you're there, check out Fence Sitter (Not!). And where can a passionate anti-war activist get a break? On CNN? No, baby -- On Swiftspeech! This is a great blog - not to be missed. And you'll want to read Jackie Salit's statement posted here on The Independent View: "Contrary to the statement by Senator Clinton, Iraq is not George Bush’s war. It is Washington’s war—signed, sealed and delivered by both political parties."

I'd say independents are doing quite well. What do you think?

TODAY'S NEWS HEADLINES for INDEPENDENT VOTERS

• Mike Gravel Given 30 Seconds to Answer Each of 10 Somewhat Irrelevant Questions (Absurd Realities)
• McCain still commands attention from voters (Concord Monitor)
• Running the Realm of Red & Blue in Nonpartisan Elections (The Texas Blue)
• A New Poll Suggests That Play-It-Safe 'Centrists' Are Weakening the Democratic Party (RJ Eskow, HuffingtonPost)
• Connecticut Green Party Court Hearing (Ballot Access News)

More Conversation on Independence and the Dem debate

Lots and lots of type on the Hillary/Obama question relative to the polls and Iraq. Seems right. There’s a lot going on. And not so much…

Here's my take:
Starting off with Fred Newman and Jackie Salit's Talk/Talk "Back to the Future", read about this tautology and by the way, if you're an independent, you might want to send an email to the author of any post talking about Bloomberg's 08 independent run. Let them know what it takes to get the support of independent voters—it’s not automatic, whatever that is. Neo Independent editor Jackie Salit says that independents don't want to be a third party -- they want to be a third force in US politics (ABC News.com) New York indies made that clear and got a non-partisan municipal elections ballot referendum.

I was totally taken by Andrew Sullivan's "Has She Come Undone?" I agree that Hillary was "luminescent (What’s the”almost”????) Now what? Joe Gandelman suggests that Hillary might not be over. And if Obama tries to get votes with a corrected position on Iraq, he'll lose. Independents are not interested in the correct position. Independents are interested in politicians who step out and say what has to be said. And not just independents but grassroots Dems and Repubs.. Even the New York Times noticed: “America Is Not Safer Since 9/11,” Obama’s clarification of his position regarding the Iraq war. Sen. Obama – if you’re going to run against Hillary, don’t trail, lead, please!

Speaking of Obama, and living in Sunnyside Queens as I do, I can’t help but notice this article in the Irish Echo calling Obama “wildly courageous”—let’s hope so! Barak Obama clearly is a challenge to business as usual, says Terry Golway...

Conversations on Independence

Referring to the recent USA Today poll showing Obama neck and neck with Hillary, Jonathan Singer on MyDD takes note of the power of independents to determine the outcome of elections... What he misses is the power of independents to create a national dialogue on what the issues are. It is independent voters who are sufficiently on the outside to be able to say the unsayable as they did in the midterms when they led the move to challenge US foreign policy. Independent voters are doing much more than getting major party candidates elected. We're challenging partisan politics and the culture of winning.

TODAY'S NEWS HEADLINES for INDEPENDENT VOTERS

• New Hampshire: This year, some independents are joining forces to make sure their concerns are heard. (ABC News)
• Texas: Just about every organization is disappointed with its officials, Russell Pruitt said, and his group believes the independent movement could help. (Victoria Advocate)
• Obama now virtually tied with Clinton, poll shows (USA Today)

Memo: Voter Referendum on Education from DC Independents for Citizen Control

The Hankster received this email from DC ICC:

MONDAY 4 JUNE 2007 — www.DCIndependents.org
TO: DC & US Media
FROM: Miriam Moore, Vice Chairperson, District of Columbia Independents for Citizen Control (DCICC)
ABOUT: Commentary on Voter Referendum on Education

COMMENTARY:
Teach Our Children by Practicing Democracy
Mayor Fenty believes the District of Columbia parents and average citizens who are fighting for a voter referendum on his proposed school governance plan are hurting children. That's the new Big Lie for 2007. They would rather have us put democracy on our children's "just say no" list, and allow a speedy coronation of mayor Fenty as king of D.C. schools.
Many District citizens and I certainly agree plenty is wrong with our public school system. However, can we also agree that the success of our children has less to do with a top-down governance structure, and is more related to real community control of our schools? A genuine partnership between superintendent Clifford Janey, the D.C. school board and local school communities produced our master education plan. This plan will be in effect regardless of who runs DCPS.


Dedicated teachers will still educate our children with available resources. They will do it in the same developer targeted crumbling buildings caused by long-term multilevel D.C. government incompetence and politics. We will still send our kids to school and be involved in their education while working full or part time jobs, fighting poverty, avoiding violence, surviving D.C.'s coming fiscal imbalances, and challenging self-serving elected officials on decreasing citizen rights.
My child will still get educated, whether through DCPS, charter schools, low-cost tutors, or a more family-friendly area outside of D.C. While parents may not do it perfectly, we will do our best. The needs of our children will always trump the phony rhetoric and plagiarized plans of District bureaucrats .

Real leaders create partnerships, not adversaries among the citizens that elect and pay them. A partnership with the citizens in the education trenches should begin with a civics lesson to our children on real democracy and due process. Supporting the voter referendum on school governance may earn mayor Fenty a B+ among citizens and children .
Mr. Fenty, you cannot afford to fail this important lesson in "government of the people, by the people, for the people."



Miriam Moore, Vice Chairperson,District of Columbia Independents for Citizen Control (DCICC)www.DCIndependents.org.
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CONTACT:
Miriam Moore
202-441-8528
dcindependents@gmail, miriam@DCIndependents.org

Conversations on Who won the debate

Kevin Drum, on the Washington Monthly's Political Animal, reported that the "left blogosphere seems to be virtually unanimous that Hillary Clinton won (for whatever definition of "won" you prefer)"and a number of comments are worth looking at. As an independent, I agree and I'd say "winning" in this case is losing unless you're a party boss. Take a look at some like comments on SCORING THE DEBATE...

I also like what Ben Smith, newly of The Politico, said--he'd rather hear what others think. Also worth a read. Spin Me! Similarly, Ron Gunzburger at Politics1 was in France on vacation, but his eyes were 151 comments on the question....

So let me know what you thought!! If you're an independent voter, the Hankster wants to know your opinion on the debate...

Conversations on Independence

One thing you can say about tonight's (Sunday's) Dem debate from New Hampshire, where independents outnumber both Dems and Repubs, is that it was NOT a conversation on independence. Other than the point where Obama challenged the premise of the question on whether English should be our "official" language, it was the Dems running against Bush in the language of political campaign rhetoric.... and on those terms, I guess Hillary wins... Random Jack has a point system and he's rated them, ending his post with a call to "Vote independent. End the war."

Interesting post by brent called "A bunch of donkeys": Barack looks pretty presidential. He really IS articulate. And black. It's a shame that he's a democrat. If he were independent with some better principles behind him, he'd do very well." Yes, I agree--Obama started his campaign by articulating at least the need for a new vision for America and a new politics. For all we know, he's still doing that at the grassroots but that kind of talk doesn't translate well on national network tv... This goes to the point that we independents need to work that much harder to show ourselves, to speak out, to come together so that if any of the candidates want to break out of the party line, they will have our support.

TODAY'S NEWS HEADLINES for INDEPENDENT VOTERS

• DEBATE SUNDAY: Iraq, Economy May Be Key Issues In Debate (WMUR)
• Mackinaw Policy Conference: Who will be next president? D.C. pundits unsure-In the last election, when Congress' control swung to the Democrats, independent voters favored Democrats by an 18-point margin, largely because of the war. (Detroit News)
• Rasmussen Poll on How Voters Self-Identify (Ballot Access News)
• Texas Governor Vetoes Voting Rights Bill HB 770 (Ballot Access News)

News EXTRA for Independent Voters

• Number of Republicans in U.S. Hits New Low, Number of Democrats Also Decline (Rasmussen Reports)
• 27% Likely to Vote for Bloomberg as Third Party Candidate (Rasmussen Reports)

EXTRA Conversations on Independence

The Moderate Voice was among several blogs today to feature the May Rasmussen poll showing the decline in party identifiers. Independents Rising--Sort Of by Chris Bowers on MyDD shows the long-term independent voter registration figures from 1961 to 2004 rising from 1.6 to 21.7%. Chris also shows the decline in third party registration. American Taíno (nice blog, by the way) tells us that "Fifty-eight percent (58%) of American adults say it would be good for the United States to have a truly competitive third political party."

A new political reality in America (or is that one of the "original" American realities?) is that most people don't like political parties. I don't think the 58% figure contradicts this. Given the dismal record of our political parties (corruption, coersion, control), it's no wonder we're not so hot on the party structure as a way of representing US. But if there was another party that could take on the Big Guys, we love a good fight. That's what happened in 1860. Tragically, that played out in a costly Civil War in this country. Will it ever happen again? Maybe. I suspect the "lives" lost will be more like the political "jobs" lost, as in a patronage system that is so deep we can't begin to imagine. In the meantime, check out a national network of independent voters who are not counting on a party structure, or the Big Shots, to carry the ball to the finish line.....

Conversations on Independence

Candidates, candidates, candidates everywhere.... Daily Kos has an interesting poll going that is currently showing 265 votes for Al Gore (is he running? Djneedle83 points to a "strengthening volatility" among the "democratic/independent electorate"... ), 88 for John Edwards and 61 for Barak Obama. Hillary comes in at 15.... Meanwhile An Ordinary Person and Politics in America "Fixing a Broken System" points out that one of the big problems in the approach that Unity 08 takes is that it only appeals to people who identify with one of the major parties.

TODAY'S NEWS HEADLINES for INDEPENDENT VOTERS

• CALIFORNIA REFORM Poll: Term Limits (Capital Notes-KQED)
• WASHINGTON STATE REFORM Ranked Voting: Working out the wrinkles in a new way of voting (Tacoma News Tribune)
• Time For A Third Party Candidate? How About Ron Paul Squared? (Dr. Clarissa Pinkola Estés - The Moderate Voice)
• Taking Ron Paul Seriously (Bruce Bartlett - RealClearPolitics)
• Tennessee Two-Step: Thompson, Gore And The Grass Is Always Greener Syndrome (CBS News, Dick Meyer)
• Dodd a long shot worth listening to; Connecticut senator keeps common touch (Concord Monitor)

Conversations on Independence

Some Dems continue to shun her, but Green Party activist Myles Hoenig on Dissident Voice applauds Cindy Sheehan for leaving the Dems.... and Jack E. Dunning over at The Dunning Letter takes it a little further: we need an Independent Party, he says... speaking of which, think Michael Bloomberg should run for President as an independent? Jackie Salit, president of the Committee for a Unified Independent Party, has some thoughts on that very thing.... And The Angry Independent on Mirror on America reminds us that a lot of folks just stay out of politics... If the independent movement speaks on behalf of -- and organizes -- the left-out, locked-out, all the people that the Dems and Repubs don't want -- we can change the direction our country is going. Let's get busy!

More on Cindy Sheehan: UPDATED 5/31/07 Eli Pariser, executive director of MoveOn.org, responds to relevancy issue in a CNN interview on Raw Story..... and here's a link to a long but interesting interview with Cindy Sheehan on Democracy Now. She's not quitting, she says. She's going to come back and do something "independent".

To: Independents in the CUIP Networks

Fr: Jackie Salit
Re: The Bloomberg Story
Date: May 30, 2007
The continuing stories about a possible independent presidential candidacy by New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg prompt me to brief all of you on Mike’s history with independent voters and the independent political movement. The media assumes that if Mike decides to seek the presidency that he will automatically have the support of independents. My view is that nothing is automatic. Even a billionaire has to prove himself to independents....

Stop. Just Stop.: Guys Who Might Run

The Hankster takes note of Stop. Just Stop.: Guys Who Might Run which talks about Bloomberg, Unity 08, tradition and the meaninglessness of ideological labels. Am I being too generous?

TODAY'S NEWS HEADLINES for INDEPENDENT VOTERS

• Six in 10 independent voters want troops out by 2008 (CQ Politics)
• We do need a new independent political movement. The good news is that there are now more registered independent voters than there are voters in either major political party. The bad news is that it will take a long time to develop such a movement. (Rochester MN Post Bulletin, Opinion)
• Delaware Bill to Ban Fusion (Ballot Access News)
• Clarence Page: (Chicago Tribune) Third party? Extremely possible

TODAY'S NEWS HEADLINES for INDEPENDENT VOTERS

• California independents vote "issues and people, not a party"... (Contra Costa Times)
• California "Rumpocracy"--a majority of adults are not registered with either of the two major parties and say that California needs another major political party... (California Progress Report)

Conversations on Independence

Writing on the wall in California: Swiftspeech! is "seriously considering" changing party affiliation because of the failure of the Dems to carry out an anti-war agenda. I say, Go for it, Swiftspeech! The California Progress Report tells us that nationally in 1961 independents (or in California, make that "decline to state", in New York unaffiliated voters are called "blanks"...) were 1.6% of the electorate--now independents are 21%. As a matter of fact, a Wall Street Journal/NBC poll put the number of self-identified independents at 42% on the day before the midterm elections in 2006. How closely is that increase tied to an anti-war vote? Plenty. But it's also tied to the fact that we keep electing Dems and Repubs and Dems and Repubs don't do what we elected them to do, whether it's fiscal responsibility or stopping "unpopular", illegal or immoral imperialistic wars...

Independents don't care for parties either--big or small. That's why Swiftspeech! rightly proclaims: Welcome to the independent movement!

Another Day in the Empire is flabbergasted that folks think there's a difference between Dems and Repubs and that the DP is the anti-war party--Pelosi's a sell-out....

Back in November, besieged with emails imploring your humble blogger to at minimum urge Americans to vote for Democrats, in order to grease the skids to get rid of Bush and the neocons, I responded by declaring my long held belief there is absolutely no difference between Democrats and Republicans—a vote for either side is a vote for tyranny and feudalism—a fact left out in the open for all to see. Now we have Nancy Pelosi pedaling a “freshened” version of NAFTA, that is to say a brand of neoliberal globalism that will eventually turn the planet into a slave labor gulag based on the Chinese “economic miracle” (or a miracle for loan sharks and financial sector swindlers).

I wholeheartedly sympathize--that progressives keep voting for the Dems because of the Dem message that the Repubs are scary, and then being really put out when the Dems escalate bad wars is not enough. But I daresay independents didn't go to the polls on November 7, 2006, "swinging" the election to the Dems, thinking that the Dems were going to lead us to the promised land of democracy and accountability. It was a statement, not a blank check. And that's what being an independent affords.

And speaking of checks, There Is No Blog in "Democrats: The Party of Pork!" gives this analysis of the current state of the Dems:

So amazingly spinelss was the the Democratic stance in essentially giving away the store to Bush and his merry band of Neocons that some in the traditional media have been forced to look at this bill not as a dead giveaway, but rather as some sort of compromise. After all, why capitulate so dramatically on an issue where the will of the people is so clear? As best as they can tell, the apparent "compromise" was in ramming through some "domestic spending" priorities--which the vast majority of Americans will read as Pork, regardless of its inherent legitimacy or lack thereof.

As skippy says on Independent Bloggers' Alliance (thanks for everything, kos) of the unofficial appologists:

...now, we don't think markos is to blame for the dems' caving on the iraq funding bill (he is, however, obvioulsy responsible for the virginia tech massacre). but we do think that his pointed efforts to "play to the middle" at the expense of actual convictions, plus his obvious work for getting anyone elected that claimed to be a democrat, is indicative of the core problems with the entire party....

Right. Ultimately, it's the American people who are responsible. We've tried, god knows we've tried. The good old fashioned General Strike has become turn-of-the-millenium Office Space (riseupeconomics has some wise advice on MyDD: "I actually think that it would be easier to build a movement for economic security than it would be to take on the corporations head on and force them to give us good jobs....")

Yeah, Politics sucks, make Politics suck less...

TODAY'S NEWS HEADLINES for INDEPENDENT VOTERS

• Oregon Senate nixes open primaries: "We have created a system of exclusion." (Statesman Journal)
• The wooing of N.H. independents (Politico, by Ben Smith)
• Blacks debate impact of Obama's race on campaign (Chicago Tribune)
• Mike Bloomberg "California Schemin'" (New York Post)

Conversations on Independence

Let's talk about some of the psychological/cultural issues of the day. Ish has many good points in Three Scenarios posted on The Seminal, commenting on The Forgotten Reality in Reality-Based Politics by Kagro X on The Daily Kos--Ish's premise:

"Many in the Democratic base feel trapped between a party elite that has all but betrayed them on the one hand, and on the other a gaping political void whose depths they are reluctant to explore...."

Outlining 3 scenarios, 2 likely, and one that many independents are beginning to wish for, Ish goes on:

"The bind that Kagro X and many other Democrats find themselves in is real: the Elite doesn’t care if they are unhappy. The only way to make them listen, it may turn out, will be to vote for someone else en masse."

But, Ish says, grassroots Dems and Dem elites alike are afraid to move left....

Well put! At what point does someone decide to get out of an abusive marriage? Is what's "out there" more scary than staying put and putting up with continued abuse? Will your sister let you come live with her? Is there a knight on a white horse coming to take you out of there?

Fred Newman talks about independents and movement building this way this week in Talk/Talk "Apocalypse Now" :

"The fight going on is the people on the outside, whatever you want to call them – the people who are doing something new – to establish their group existence. It’s partly a psychological issue. In social therapy, we always talk to the group about building the group. But that’s very hard to do, because the individuated members are concerned with themselves, so creating a group is hard, even from the point of view of the people who are trying to build it. So, if you multiply that by millions, it’s hard to build a movement. The individuals – Perot, Bloomberg, whomever – who come and go for their own purposes aren’t going to build a movement. It’s got to come, somehow, from the millions of people “on the ground.” How do you acomplish that? How do you get independents to function as a mass movement? That’s very hard. And the Establishment is not going to give an inch on this. Not an inch. Independents are 40% of the electorate today. It could go up to 50%, 60%, 90%. It won’t make a difference...."

Can we build somewhere else to go? Can independent voters, who "swung" left and put the Dems in control of Congress in the midterm elections, join with grassroots Dems to lead America to a new place?

Conversations on Independence

Yesterday on The Daily KOS, commonscribe points out the gains that the Dems made from independent voters in the midterm elections and comments that those gains aren't likely in the presidential 08 election if things keep going the way they're going in Congress. As an independent, I'll add that independent voters are used to determining elections only to be forgotten in the interim. Let's face it, the pols are looking for votes, not loyalty....

TODAY'S NEWS HEADLINES for INDEPENDENT VOTERS

Bloomberg News says New Hampshire independents are party crashers...

The Oregon state legislature doesn't want open primaries that would include independents...

And in other spots on the planet:
Leftists to the right, rightists to the left in Turkey... and of course in Canada....

The Hankster Test

TODAY'S NEWS HEADLINES for INDEPENDENT VOTERS

New York Times through the Congressional Quarterly reports that Oregon Dems see Repub Gordon Smith "vulnerable" on his left from independents...

Tony Blankley sees a third party freak show in Dem primary (Philadelphia Daily News)...

Mother Jones wonders if the Dems should be wary of Mike Gravel a la Ralph Nader...

Andrew Sullivan talks about Christianism...

Conversations on Independence

Dear Hanksteristas: The Hankster just had a very productive meeting with the newly emergent Hankster Board of Directors at Mayrose (21st St. and Broadway in Manhattan, where I once had a "siting" of Jimmy Smits -yes, he's tall and good-looking... and yes, celebrity sitings are very important in New York...) to get some direction (and yes, I was bored with my own Hankstering...). The Board advised me to blog (that's why we call them the Board--to keep an eye on mission drift...) -- so here's some new stuff for conversation:

Instapundit, gotta give him credit - how does he do it? -- so many posts, so little time... AND how very interesting -- anyway, Instapundit says Pelosi is yada yada with reform. Couldn't agree more! Two parties - too late... Look for Porkbusters update...

Just a New York conversation without independent voters...

They'll quote former New York mayor Ed Koch, they'll interview Rev. Al Sharpton (who calls Michael Bloomberg "Ross Perot with a resume"...(The Economist). But they won't call two-time independent presidential candidate Lenora Fulani, or president of the Committee for an Independent Party Jackie Salit (who ran Mayor Bloomberg's independent 2001 mayoral campaign in New York, giving him the margin of victory and winning him the election), nor will they pick up the phone and call independent voters... It's a curious world where empty conversations rule the day in the media.

Groovin' in the 21st Century

David Belmont, one of my favorite artists and one of the foremost independent ballot access experts in the country, has a new album out: www.davidbelmont.com On it you'll find a link to their first YouTube video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iekO1Fgbpk . Groovin' in the 21st century...

Let's boost that sucker!
Enjoy! - NH

Duality: Simple and easy to preach....

If you haven't already, please read:
Waiting for an Independent
by sameh abdelaziz
http://www.opednews.com

Walk into a restaurant with a menu of two dishes, and you will leave immediately unless you are starving and it is the only one in town. Duality is an integral part of life; it is simple to understand and easy to preach. ...

Obama and the Civil War...

Janet Elder asks New York Times readers: Will There Be an ‘Obama Effect?’ So much for headlines looking to grab voters who were born between 1830 and 1867... On the other hand, the polling suggest that we have moved beyond the Civil War.... But when? And more importantly, where do the independents line up?

Hagel, Bloomberg, Hagel-Bloomberg, what is the question....

Whether 'tis nobler to suffer the slings and arrows.... Hagel as Hamlet -- or the Third Man? in the Washington Post

California independents: The fastest growing segment goes left...

* While Arnold grabs the center and gets props, California’s GOP bosses rush right-The rightward swing follows a period of several years in which California’s GOP leadership embraced appeals to independent voters — the fastest-growing segment of voters in the state (LA Weekly)

The Hankster Poll

Have you checked out? Check in on The Hankster Poll--it's not just an opinion... It's a voice for independent voters!

Go to the sidebar, and here are the early results:

As an independent voter, I would like to see:

Barack Obama reach out to independents as a partner to change American politics
2 votes
Chuck Hagel run as an independent.
2 votes
Michael Bloomberg run as an independent.
2 votes
An independent ticket with prominent candidates willing to take on the failure of US domestic and foreign policy.
3 votes
Rudy Giuliani recognize independent voters as an agent for change.
1 vote
Independents talking to independents.
1 vote
More philosophical dialogue about America's role in international politics.
1 vote
All of the above. Independents can have an impact everywhere.
3 votes
None of the above--it's hopeless.
0 votes
What can I do?
0 votes

Independent Voters: JOIN THE NEXT DEBATE WATCH

Sunday, June 3 – Democratic Party Debate
Tuesday, June 5 – Republican Party Debate
Sponsored by CNN and WMUR, New Hampshire
Aired nationally on CNN from 7:00 to 9:00 pm
St. Anselm College, New Hampshire

This note from the CUIP:
Thank you for participating in Debate Watch! It was very successful. 200 independents from 30 states filled out surveys after watching the debates broadcast from South Carolina on May 3rd (Democratic Party) and from California on May 10th (Republican Party).

Independents are getting a look at the presidential terrain, and what a terrain! Eight Democrats and ten Republicans participated in the debates in South Carolina– and at least five more major players are considering entering the race. Independents who participated in Debate Watch did not feel there was any clear winner in either debate, nor did the political pundits who commented afterwards.

It’s an unpredictable campaign season. As one McCain staffer noted recently, “the only thing certain about this presidential election is the level of uncertainty!” With the presidential campaign beginning 18 months earlier than previous races, many states are now moving or threatening to move their primary dates to earlier in the primary season, meaning almost half the states’ primaries will be over by February 5! Candidates and their campaign teams are scrambling to figure out their next moves. Moreover, nobody can safely predict who the ultimate candidates will be, including if there will be a significant (read: wealthy and well-known) independent to enter the race.

All this instability can be a good thing for independents. We don’t need to pick a candidate or a winner in the debates. Rather, we’re insisting that the candidates talk to and include independents and address our concerns about partisanship and corruption and their negative effects on the political process.

99% of Debate Watch respondents noted that neither the Democratic or Republican candidates acknowledged or spoke directly to independent voters. Indeed, only two Republicans – and no Democrats – even mentioned the word “independent.” In addition, 98% of independents surveyed believe that political reform and partisanship are important issues to be addressed, and that the candidates failed to do so.

Not one independent who watched the Republican debate felt that Senator John McCain did anything in the debate to regain the support he lost from independent voters because of his position on the war.

Independents’ advice to the candidates about how to speak more effectively to independent voters? Here’s a few highlights:

Acknowledge our existence and our numbers. Admit that most Americans are now independent voters, reflecting our dissatisfaction with partisanship;
Speak to fixing our broken election system;
Admit that the parties are corrupt – they continue to stack the deck against independents.

On the media front:

Sarah Lyons, Communications Director of CUIP, has been speaking with the media about Debate Watch – and some media outlets are listening.

In South Carolina a local daily newspaper, The Greenville News, invited chair of the South Carolina Independence Party Wayne Griffin to view the Democratic Party debate in their offices to get his reactions to the debate in “real time.”

Morris News Service, which owns 12 weekly newspapers in 6 states, spoke with Helen Blocker-Adams after the debate to get her “Debate Watch” reactions. See the story http://chronicle.augusta.com/stories/042707/met_126289.html

In Iowa, WHO-TV invited independent Larry Reinsch to submit his responses to the debates on the state’s Iowa caucus website - www.iowavotes2008.org

Now the focus of the presidential campaign is moving to New Hampshire, as Democratic and Republican Party debates are set for June 3 and June 5, respectively. The chair of the New Hampshire Committee for an Independent Voice, Betty Ward, is planning a Debate Watch party at a local bar. The debates will be broadcast by CNN from Manchester, New Hampshire. We’ll send everyone a new survey towards the end of this month, and we’ll keep you posted!

Plan your next Debate Watch for June 3!
Contact Nancy Ross or Fran Miller at 212-609-2800

Scientific Formula for Measuring Uncertainty

New Hanskster Poll

Here's the New Hankster Poll:

As an independent voter, I would like to see: Obama, Hagel, Bloomberg, none of the above?

Where are independents headed? Who are we?

Not so easy to define.

Go to the side bar.

Say something....

Obama? Hagel-Bloomberg? Hmmm......

"....If you believe that the 2008 election is above all about change and that voters fed up with the tone of American politics are hungry for something new, Obama, 45, is the ideal candidate. Hillary Clinton sure doesn't look like a fresh face to bridge the partisan divide.... (The easy case for President Obama, by Adam C. Smith in the St. Petersburg Times)

In "Hagel-Bloomberg In '08? You Never Know" by CBS News says: a New York boy and a Nebraska boy to be teamed up leading this nation." But prospects for a third-party victory don't appear to be strong.

It's the most interesting presidential election in recent memory! Where do independents count?

WMUR candidate debate June 3

Look for the New Hampshire debate June 3 with independent bloggers on the panel...

Rasmussen reports

Poll: Most Americans think a third political party would be good for U.S. from Blogger News Network

America is starving for a leader.

Read Waiting for an Independent by Sameh Abdelaziz: I think America is ready for a female, a Black man, a Mormon, or an independent for president.

Looking for the beat

Garrison Keillor has written a lovely piece called "Mainstream is marching to same beat as Obama", in which he says, "Time for the big dogs to move over and let the skinny dog run."

Independent Voters Surveyed on Presidential Campaign Views

For Immediate Release: May 7, 2007
Contact: Sarah Lyons
212-962-1824

Independent Voters Surveyed on Presidential Campaign Views;
Highest Favorability Ranking to Barack Obama;
Giuliani Leads Among Republican Contenders;
Indies Back “Open Primaries”

New York, NY— Results of polling done by the CUIP, an organizing center for independent voters with networks in 35 states, show Barack Obama receiving the highest favorability rating among independent voters. Forty-five percent of independents have a favorable view of Obama, followed by Hillary Clinton at 39% and John Edwards at 38%. Rudy Giuliani is viewed favorably by 28% and John McCain by 24%.
The results echo the latest Rassmussen Report national survey which also found Obama leading among independents receiving 38%, followed by Clinton at 19% and Edwards at 18%. (Additionally, 10% of independents selected “some other candidate,” 9% were not sure, 4% picked Richardson, and Biden received 2%.)
CUIP has so far polled 800 independents from 28 states in an ongoing survey dubbed “Indie2Indie” in which independents volunteer to call voter lists of fellow independents to elicit their views on the presidential campaign. CUIP’s Independent-to-Independent polling began in March and will continue throughout the election season.
“Independent voters are looking to see which candidates are reaching out beyond their own party’s base to acknowledge and include them,” said Jacqueline Salit, the president of CUIP. “Everyone agrees independents will decide the election in 2008. We’re helping to inform and shape their decision-making process.”
Of the independent respondents to CUIP’s poll, 63% are white, 26% are African-American, 6% are Latino or Hispanic, 2% are Asian, 1% are Native American, and 2% identified as “other.”
Forty percent of respondents are between 41-56 years old, 37% are 56 and over, 5% are 18-25 years old and 18% were 26-40 years of age.
While only half of the states currently hold open primaries allowing independents to vote in the either major party primary, 84% of independents surveyed say they would like to see open primaries in all states.
# # #

Talk/Talk: The Unvarnished Truth?

THE UNVARNISHED TRUTH? Sunday, May 6, 2007

Every Sunday CUIP’s political coordinator Jacqueline Salit and strategist and philosopher Fred Newman watch the political talk shows and discuss them. Here are excerpts from their dialogue on Sunday, May 6, 2007 after watching "The Chris Matthews Show” and "Meet the Press.” Below is an excerpt from Talk Talk. To read it in its entirety, go to:

www.independentvoting.org

Salit: George Tenet, former CIA director, was on “Meet the Press.” Tim Russert tried to discover whether Tenet was an honest broker in the run up to the war or an enabler, someone who crossed over into politics, into marketing, into the business of selling the war to the American people, rather than being an objective analyst of the conditions in Iraq and Iraq’s role – if any – in 9/11. Let me begin by asking you whether you accept that framing, that bright line distinction between honest broker and enabler.
Newman: I don’t accept that distinction. Doesn’t he work for him?
Salit: Doesn’t Tenet work for Bush?
Newman: Last I heard that’s how it was. That doesn’t just blur the distinction. It seems to me it destroys the distinction.
Salit: Yes, he works for the president. He’s appointed by the president and he serves at the pleasure of the president. But there’s this idea that he’s supposed to deliver honest, unfiltered information and assessments to the president.
Newman: Well, on the one hand, in my opinion, there is no such thing as “honest, unfiltered information.” That doesn’t exist. All presentations of this kind – giving the “facts of the matter” – are going to be, in some critical ways, subjective. To me, the serious question is: are they going to be subjective in this direction or subjective in that direction? And if you’re giving this to someone you work for, it’s probable that the subjective direction will be consistent with the fact that this is the guy you work for. This notion of a god-like objectivity is, it seems to me, outlandish. You could raise the question of whether there was an excess of collusion between Tenet and Bush, between the CIA and the White House. I don’t know how you could ever prove that.........

The only certainty is uncertainty

Read this article: New political game, new primary rules by John Aloysius Farrell, a Denver Post staff writer, and tell me what you think about living in a world of indeterminacy...

Hankster Poll: Dem Debate

Which Democratic candidate spoke most strongly to the issues of independent voters in the South Carolina debate?

Here's the short answer from (no doubt Hard Core Debate Watchers! -- not an insignificant grouping!) Hankster readers over the past week:

Joe Biden - 0 votes
Hillary Clinton - 1 vote
Chris Dodd - 0 votes
John Edwards - 0 votes
Mike Gravel - 0 votes
Dennis Kucinich - 1 vote
Barack Obama - 1 vote
Bill Richardson - 0 votes
None of the above - 0 votes

Enough said!!!

Onward!

And now for the Repubs: Independent Debate Watch!

CALLING ALL INDEPENDENT VOTERS!

There is an independent Debate Watch. Download the survey and fax or do it on line at http://independentvoting.org/

Nevada independents

strongly oppose lifting term limits.